Saturday, November 14, 2015

Paris shines a spotlight on the farce that we call the "War on Terror."

Paris terror attacks war on terror

With all the billions and billions the U.S. spends on surveillance and intelligence and all the billions and billions that other Western nations spend on surveillance and intelligence we see that it's all a total farce. Even with all those assets they still could not pick up what was a massively coordinated, multiple-location attack that resulted in horrific carnage.

Where was the NSA on this? The NSA supposedly has the capability to listen to every electronic communication in the world? It is back-door hooked into everyone's computer. Yet still, these monsters were able to get their hands on explosives and automatic weapons and engage in what looks like significant planning, en route to unbelievable levels of slaughter.

How I laugh every time I see law enforcement praising themselves for "thwarting" some attack that was nothing more than some dumb schmuck or group of schmuck's lured into some ridiculous sting operation. Meanwhile our civil liberties are evaporating at an alarming pace, if we even have any at all these days. And, certainly, these attacks will bring the usual, "beefing up" of police presence everywhere, a pathetic, knee-jerk reaction that prevents nothing.

Let us not forget, too, that these groups, like ISIS, were created by the our own CIA, which funded and armed these supposed "moderates" so that they could fight our many proxy wars. Now, well armed and financed, they've turned their weapons on their masters.

What a fucking disgrace this whole thing is. And pardon my cynicism, here, but I'm quite sure that the CIA and the neocons in the DOD will almost certainly find this a godsend and they'll use this massacre to twist the narrative and blame Putin and the Russians, raising the stakes for all of us to an even more dangerous level as if the danger wasn't high enough already.

Finally, let's not forget that Obama recently (and uber-foolishly) gave the Iranians the green light to make nukes in his pathetically inept "deal." (As Trump has pointed out, over and over and over). These are nukes that will almost certainly fall into the hands of one of these terrorist groups and they'll use it and it will make the Paris and 9/11 attacks and everything else in between look like kindergarten.

We are fucked from every direction.
Our leaders fucked us.
We have no civil liberties.
We are not safe.
Our intelligence agencies have gone rogue.
The terrorists have shown they can strike unhindered.

36 comments:

Magpie said...

Our "leaders" know they can count on the hysteria events like this create to impose whatever they want to impose. For the rabble, no price is too high for revenge.

And it works every time, too!

After something like this happens, the populace -- like Pavlovian dogs -- start salivating for revenge (the crazier the better) and there's always some swindler to indulge: demand does create its own supply.

Privacy? Civil rights? Democracy? Who cares.



PS,

All this Big Brother-style surveillance is to spy on us, not on some towel-headed terrorists.

Joe said...

Why on earth would anyone in the "defense"/"intelligence" community want to stop these attacks? This shit is like receiving the golden fucking ticket. Dick Cheney and Bill Kristol just came in their pants, twice. Defense budgets can go up, more intervention is easily justified now. And if you dare disagree, well you're not a patriot, probably even a fucking commie.

Here's the simple rules to being a true patriot
1. Ignore your own atrocities.
2. If forced to acknowledge them, make up a feel good excuse.
3. If 1&2 fail, resort to "at least we're not as bad as so-and-so", and display outrage over other people's actions.
4. Only western lives matter. The unpeople are simply "collateral damage". So there is "We're all French now" but there is no "We're all Afghans now", or "We're all Yemenis now", shit, no one even knows where Yemen's at. And there for goddamn sure ain't no "We're all Palestinians now". Ever.
5. It's terrorism when they do it to us, but when we do it to them it's "Liberation", "Freedom" or "Spreading Democracy" or worst case it's good intentions gone awry. So Shooting up Paris is terrorism, but bombing wedding parties and hospitals is liberating. If it's really really bad, you are permitted to say "our bad, but we *meant* well". But use this one very sparingly.

See how easy it is to be an uber patriot? Follow these 5 simple rules and you're well on your way to being welcome in the American media.

Kristjan said...

Putin Tells Everyone Exactly Who Created ISIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww

mike norman said...

Joe-

Exactly.

Anonymous said...

Without dignity, a human being will not be in peace. And without peace, there will be no human prosperity. Without prospering, a human being will not feel dignity.

I know a teacher in a low socio-economic area. There are kids sitting in her classroom who seethe with rage, who are consumed with rage, hatred, anger and frustration, all day long. It is in their eyes looking at everything they see and it chokes their hearts, locking them away from everything that is kind; it fills their minds with images of harm and revenge. It is not 'intelligent' to try and impose a curriculum on these kids, but that is what the teacher has to do. All day long these kids spray 'bullets of hatred' at everything and everyone around them. They cannot help themselves: - they come from homes where one or both parents are in jail; there is domestic violence, crime, substance abuse and poor health. At this particular school the teachers have given up, and just try not to suspend the kids because they know that conditions are worse at home; less safe. At other schools authority and psychological controls are beefed up, but you cannot control hatred – hatred is an absence of the opposite emotion. The kids focus their rage on the teachers and the school; one or two come back when they are sixteen and burn the place down.

It is no different in Paris.

Beyond race, class, creed, religion, the political-economy, we are human beings. Go into any family, any tribe, any country, and destroy human self-determination and dignity and you will end up with the same hatred; even as it is festering in the so-called 'rich' countries. A 'pitiless response' just inflames the hatred. The kids survive in the schools by creating a little power bloc for themselves; get noticed, control what's happening in the classroom, get a little dignity back.

Anyone who is happy and their mind content, already knows that beliefs change through human history. It is not the beliefs that sustain issues: - it is trampling on human dignity. It is hate, pure and simple. Hate begets hate; dignity, love, respect beget dignity love respect. Very simple, very human. Beyond race, class, creed, religion and the political-economy: but not beyond a human being.

mike norman said...

Well said, JR.

Dan Lynch said...

Re: loose nukes. The Sauds have nukes and they are as nutty as they come. Why is everyone worried about Iran getting an A-bomb but it's OK for the Sauds to have one?

Unknown said...

What makes Paris so special ?

Hundreds were killed and injured in Beirut, Turkey. (Russian airliner ?) and who knows how many thousands in Yemen just within the last month or so. The very same ISIS goons who claimed responsibility for Paris.

No one in the US / Western media says a thing, let alone Obama or any other political leader.


If Iran wanted to have nukes, they would have had them decades ago. The thought that Iran is irresponsible and set on attaining nuclear bombs is bereft of substance. It is and was just one more fabrication of the US and it's vassal states.

The Iranians are Shia Persians and are viewed as apostates by the Saudi sponsored Sunni (Wahhabi / Salafists) --- the real terrorists. You know, the ISIS that the US State department purchased all those new shiny white Toyota trucks for their trip to the Levant.


It's not an accident that the US vassal States of the MENA have not been impacted by the likes of ISIS while Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yemen etc have been ravaged.

We can be certain the ruling elite will use the Paris incident to their advantage, not ours. This is why the western newspapers, MSM and political leaders are all taking the same public position. Whereas, the tragedies in Yemen, Turkey, Lebanon et al pass unnoticed.

Think of the millions if not more they are reaping by purchasing ISIS oil and then selling them arms.

Matt Franko said...

Mike we have better security than the EU...

FBI currently tracking 1,000+ isis leads here...

All of this is under the radar to the dismay of libertarians who dont trust the govt...

The problem is incompetence of current leadership not paranoid fears of libertarians...

We put 6 cruise with cluster munition loads on the next "death to the west" rally in Iran and we'll set these people back 25 years at least... current leadership does not have the stones (not qualified) to do what is needed...

Peter Pan said...

Well said, Carlos. MNE is an oasis of sanity.

Jake C said...

Seve-I agree with you that the problem is the Gulf states Sunni wahabbi who promote sharia,coordinate their militaries (along with egypt and Jordan and others) to fight houthis in Yemen. whilst not lifting a finger to deal with Isis.the only people doing that are the Iranians.(not too mention anti Assad and hez'bollah Israel)


I don't know why US has such a problem with Iran,when all terrorist activities come from Sunni groups sponsored by elites in gulf states.ask your government about the 28 redacted pages from the 9/11 report(implicating Saudi gov officials and elites),not to mention that the hijackers were all Saudi.

Seve-i,where I disagree is your description of Saudi+gulf states(and Israel actually) as US vassal states,they can actually exert quite a lot of influence on US.In terms of foreign policy western Europe are US vassal states.


Maybe in the US you don't understand that shias and Sunni are sworn enemies,and Saudi and Iran are enemiesIslamic state kill shias,shias are now fighting back against Islamic state.just recently in a terrorist attack in Beirut.in Syria hez'bollah is fighting against Isis and in Iraq ,shia militias are fighting against Isis.

Obama's deal with Iran ,got a lot out of Iran,they will be under constant inspection and all technology inputs and material will be vetted and observed.secondly I doubt there is political will to build nuclear weapons,against anyone,thirdly there is less than zero chance that these weapons would end up in the hands of Sunni terrorists who see the shia as worse than infidels and apostates.

Iran has no green light to make weapons,nor do they have a desire and no way would they give it too groups who want to annihilate every last shia.

The west should confront turkey and the gulf states for their wahabbi group Financing,lean on them to take action against Isis.the only consistent power in the region is Russia,who don't suck up to the gulf states and Israel.

This is just like Afghanistan when US+UK+NATO refused to confront Sunni "ally" Pakistan ,even though her intelligence services ISI were clandestinely supporting the Taliban.


Why is the west even an ally with the saudi s,they behead ppl for blogs,or friends with the Qatari who imprisen and torture ppl for protesting.these are they nation providing funds Isis.

I am with the blog post on the intrusive police state though,its too much.

The US(and its western European followers) should quit worrying about Iran,confront Saudi and gulf states and ditch Israel.

Jake C said...

When I say the shia are now fighting back.I meant the Sunni and shia have been fighting a bloody war since the fall of Saddam.and SHia have been fighting back agaisnt ISis since day 1

Matt Franko said...

All those sects support the meme "death to America!" ... so they are probably competing for dominance over there and one of the criteria/differentiators is which sect can perpetrate the most damage to the west/America/Israel....

You guys are making the same mistakes that our incompetent leadership who think "we're out of money!" are making thinking if they work with one or a couple of these sects pitted against another they can get it done on the cheap as "we're out of money!".... not going to work...

We exhibit no self-respect when a seated govt of a nation of 70M people can codify thru legislative action a resolution of "death to America!" with impunity.... this just emboldens smaller radical groups like those who are attacking in Paris when they see a 70M nation taking an official govt stance like this...

NATO on Monday should demand an immediate official recantation from Iran on this in light of Paris and if none received in 24 hours, start taking that nation down piece by piece... it wont be done as the morons have no balls and think "we cant afford it!"....

Ignacio said...

I will hear that when western governments stop getting in bed with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and all those corrupt theocratic regimes and stop funding them, and indirectly (when not directly!) funding terrorism and supplying them. Don't get me started on the illegal terror state of Israel, the most militarized country on earth spreading chaos through the region to avoid solving their own internal and perennial problem of Palestine.

If instead of crushing every secular movement in the ME and Asia for the last 40 years "because communism" and supporting the right guys instead of either radical religious nuts or dictators that breed violent societies we would support and solve the real problems of people there in the ground (and more often than not both things at the same time). We should also stop ignoring the facts there: somehow magically thinking that dropping a couple bombs there is going to change anything, when they got their own 'Paris carnages' on monthly basis in Iraq and Syrian and millions have died over the last decade. As if there is not enough evidence on the lack of effectiveness of such campaign from decades of implementing them, from Laos and Cambodia to Iraq itself the reaction has always been the opposed of the one desired. If you are not willing to go all in, don't go in at all, because it's not going to work, and except some complete idiots who want to get the easy way out no one is willing to start a nuclear war over there, so...

In worst case took as isolationist stance they wouldn't have anybody to blame but themselves. But TINA: the stupid system we got of perpetual exponential growth machines and greed need their oil, the West won't last two weeks with supplies cut from those parts of the world, not even two weeks, society would absolutely collapse. Everyone knows this and how little resilient our current system is but nobody wants to admit the truth because is much easier to keep blaming and killing each other instead of building a strong foundation for humanity to have any chance.

But no worries, at least we have all that oil and gas to keep us warm and fuzzy this winter in Paris or Berlin and in a couple weeks everyone will be to busy shopping with any spare cent we can gather from our ever diminishing income to remember any of this.

Matt Franko said...

I,

I'm afraid thats pure speculation unsupported by evidence, more rationalism:

" In a statement, IS claimed that the Bataclan venue had been targeted because of its immoral nature.

"The targets included the Bataclan theatre for exhibitions, where hundreds of pagans gathered for a concert of prostitution and vice," reads a translated version. "The result of [all of the] attacks was the deaths of no less than two hundred crusaders and the wounding of even more. All praise, grace, and favor belong to Allah."

No mention of any attacks on their nation just another day to kill pagans and those participating in prostitution and vice... here is their idea of a "crusader":

http://news.yahoo.com/college-student-california-studying-abroad-killed-paris-attacks-005432423.html

23 y.o. latina studying (western) architecture and design having dinner at a restaurant that evening with fellow students...

Ignacio said...

Speculation that all those western "allies" (S.A., Qatar, Pakistan, Turkey) are financing or at best allowing financing of those terrorist movements? It has been proven even by western intelligence services and police forces over and over whenever some investigation flourish, this is not even a secret.

But we want to be so oblivious to reality that is not even necessary to hide the facts that our "allies" are screwing us all the time. But Iran is the problem (when all the terror acts in the West have come from our "allies").

Ignacio said...

You are missing the point Matt:

1) How are you going to stop that terrorism without cutting the ideological and financial head of the movement (ie. gulf states, Pakistan, Turkey, btw some of them nuclear powers or suspected to have nuclear weapons). All 'allies' of the West because economic reasons.

2) Failed states and anarchy breed violence, don't mess with something if you are not going to deliver and have a plan to restore order later on. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, (even Iran itself a few decades ago), now Yemen, all are a repeat of the same story. Dropping a bomb here and there does not fix jackshit, learn the lesson already, 5 decades of random bombing campaigns of different intensity have demonstrated this, what more evidence is needed? This in isolation is not changing anything, and the truth is that we are just too comfortable to fight wars we don't want in soil we don't care about except for one thing (the carbon resources imported from there). I'm actually 'isolationist' in this regard, but is a consistent position, we cannot fix all the world problem, but we can try to fix our own and shield ourselves (and maybe someday others will see the light), we we cannot is have our cake and eat it too, which is what we are trying to do right now.

3) Maybe instead of supporting the wrong regimes, for a change try to support the 'good guys'? Try to stop rationalizing supporting whatever religious nut or dictator because is the best for economic reasons. Right now we are allowing Turkey, a regime who is radicalizing itself more each day and is supporting directly and indirectly terrorists operations, going against kurds, a perfectly secular ethnic group (which could isolate the trespassing of resource between Turkey and north Syria and Iraq) because geopolitical reasons. It's always the same story.

The big lesson here is that terrorists are not breed in a vacuum, it's impossible to stop every nutcase and even 'terrorism' itself is a relative term depending on who is doing the terrorizing and what is the social norm, but sure as hell you can try to minimize the impact and damage with the right policies, instead of stopping

Matt Franko said...

"allies"

Japan? Canada? Mexico? UK? EZ? China? S.A.? Australia? soon to be Russia (Trump 42%)?

c'mon... these attacks are not coming from our allies...

Where is the Saud family member or the UAE people going all around saying 'death to America!'... they are buying real estate in Aspen Colorado and L.A. for crying out loud they love it here...

Here they endowed this near me:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bs-bz-interview-chp520110401103509-photo.html

The mistake is looking at this thru a religious paradigm... its properly looked at thru a national paradigm.... and when a nation votes "death to America!" we should immediately start to physically destroy that nation.... if the people there dont want that then they should seat less belligerent people in their govt...

Matt Franko said...

Here's the left in the US:

When a GOP person screws up policy they say "Bush did it!"

When a Democrat person screws up policy the say "The U.S. did it!"

Complete hypocrites....

You are doing the same thing here from your left pov, you are blaming it on a nation if it fits your left political biases: if the terrorists were from a country then you are saying "Saudi Arabia did it!".... its in NO WAY the official policy of these nations except in Iran and now nascent ISIS... those two nations should be taken down at least...

Only on the right is there a lack of this hypocrisy as evidence Jeb/Rubio/Neo-cons vs. Trump this is legitimate democracy in action vs. the Dems who are anointing Hilary and ridiculing Bernie...

the right is making a policy change away from incompetent/failed neo-cons and towards Trump's policies.... EVIDENCE: Trump is winning big-league... if he wins the general then US policy is going to receive big-league changes and imv nations will be correctly held accountable...

Ignacio said...

S.A. is a west ally, as are other gulf states, as is Pakistan or Turkey, all of them have deep connections with financing, planning and leading those movements, even at government levels. None of those (or at least not often) have "death to America" rallies from government officials (I hope you are not suggesting that any random "death to America" demonstration should led to an intervention).

Not a single terrorist attack in the West in the last decade was planned or directed from Iran, not even from the 9/11. Had you "destroyed" (???) Iran nothing would have changed, as the attacks were not, I repeat, were NOT, originated from there.

Then there is the problem of what "destroying" a nation means... Again missing the point: Iraq and Syria are destroyed nations, that's how a destroyed nation looks like, or as far as the West will go. Or are you suggesting that we should just drop some nuclear bombs and annihilate all the population there? I know that some people just wants that, this is not about what the government is willing to do but what we allow them to do. I wouldn't let my government go on this scale of annihilation, and in my view anyone suggesting has a deep mental problem and should seek help, and is as dangerous as those they are trying to annihilate.

So if you are not willing to carry with the responsibility with occupying and reconstructing whatever you "destroyed", neither you are going to completely annihilate those you consider the enemy, what you end up is with a failed state like Syria and Iraq.

And then you get scared or terrorized because twice in 10 years you get some massive terror attack at your soil when that's the normal over there, whatever bullshit reasons the terrorists have don't matter at all, the reality is that it was much easier for them to carry out those attacks because the situation that was generated.

But keep destroying nations and then when you see half the population has flee their origin countries don't know what to do. It's all just too funny.


Oh I know, the next time we get a destroyed nation and a failed state and the Mediterranean coasts of Europe get flooded by refugees we will ship them to Matt Frank state in the USA so he can deal with the reality of 'destroying' nations.

Anonymous said...

Matt,

I ain't signing up again for your war, though I'm sure you'll be suiting up to take it to the Ayatollah for us. How many soldiers will you need for the ground invasion, or will you conduct an indefinite bombing campaign to "dismantle"? Do you even know anything at all about Iran or have you anointed yourself an expert historian/anthropologist/strategist in the same way you became a super-expert technocrat?

A number of MMT advocates are become so infected with arrogant self-righteousness they feel justified in lecturing others on everything in the belief they can't possibly not know what they're talking about. There are two types in this world: people who know they're idiots and people who don't.

You're the latter.

Ignacio said...

So just listen to intelligence services when it suits you? It doesn't matter there are connections from government officers, because it's not official, so it's not happening.

By this standard why did western nations operate against USSR operatives when they were not "officially supporting those operatives" during the Cold war? After all it wasn't official, it wasn't happening.

This is ridiculous!

You want the governments to start an other problem when you haven't even fixed they created in the first place? Give me a real feasible plan about how to deal with the situation and then I'll see if I agree with them or not.

Don't give me more half-assed plans of 'destroying nations' then letting them rot and flood Europe with refugees.

Disclaimer: dropping some bombs, then putting some troops on the ground for a couple years while they live within secure bases and the previous state there fails is not a plan.

Tom Hickey said...

Sorry, Matt. I read the same reports as Ignacio and he is correct.

But it goes deeper than that.

The is allied with Israeli and the Sunni states it is allied with for a reason. To break the Iran, Syria, Hezbollah axis that has been allied with the chief enemy of the US, the USSR, going back decades. Russia did not stop being an enemy of the US after the fall of the USSR and won't be until Russia is deprived of its old alliances and partitioned into states small enough never to be able to challenge US hegemony. That plan was succeeding until Putin stepped in and through a money wrench into the gears.

This has been, is, and will be about hegemony until the US empire is either defeated or implodes.

The US alliance with dictatorial and terrorist regimes in MENA is about one thing and one thing only — US national interest. This includes global hegemony which involves control of vital resources, and leadership of the global economy as the state that makes the rules. This is not a secret. It is part of the declared policy of the US. See Truman Doctrine (against USSR and China) and Wolfowitz Doctrine (permanent US global hegemony). This is the basis for US foreign and military policy and why President Clinton was no different from Presidents Reagan and GWH Bush, and why President Obama is no different from GW Bush, and it doesn't matter much who wins in 2016.

The same policy will continue and the president will do what the deep state recommends, and the deep state will continue to "do the necessary" without informing the president in order to preserve "plausible deniability." You know, it was "a few of bad apples" that did the torture at Abu Ghaib. Later it came out it was a CIA op that the unit military commander didn't even know about, but she got sacked anyway and no one in the intelligence services even got a wrist slap.

Americans at large are completely under the influence of the kool-aid being dispensed in copious amount by the media echo machine daily.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many investigative reports available about all this and more that never get publicized and most people don't have time to read even a small portion of them, even a person like me that looks into this stuff. This is why I continually say that all people in power wherever are thugs, with very few exceptions and these are just crooks rather than thugs.

This is nothing new and has been the case at least post-WWII with Operations Gladio and Paperclip, for instance.

It goes not long before that, since the West has been continually at odds with the Russian and Chinese empires for centuries and won't rest until both Russia and China are rendered impotent — whatever it takes. This is fight to the death, and all sides are aware of it.

Jake C said...

@Matt Franko

I'm in shock ,you are so off.Iran is at war with Isis,these aren't just a few sects having a squabble; this is a feud which runs back since the begining of islam.Wahabi salafi vs shia.

Holding Iran accountable for Isis make zero sense ,it like holding the Uk governemnt responible for IRA or Isreal for Hamas or Spain for ETA or SA apertheid gov responsible for ANC.....they are enemies,sworn archrival religously,regionally and economically!

As me and other (ignacio+seve) the money behind ISIS comes from saudi and gulf states,the same ppl who funded 9/11.you talk about having balls why don't you confront the actual powers behind these attacks (saudi+gulf states)...again; the same people financially and ideologically behind 9/11.

it makes way less sense than blaming Saddam Huessain for 9/11.


"sects support the meme "death to America!"- the iran..I don't know what piece of legislation you are talking about but its a slogan that Iranian picked up after having a brtual shah dictator imposed on them with US backing after democratically elected Mossadegh was deposed by the CIA ( for his attempts to repatriate some of the OIL wealth controlled by UK's British Petroleum)

Iran poses no existential threat to the West (North america +westernEurope) whereas the Sunni islamist groups like ISIS are attacking western europe,and their antecedents Alqaeda attacked NYC.ISIS have been capturing shia's and murdering them and have vowed to destroy shia religous site.Iranian troops are the only country actually fighting Isis directly(apart form Assad's forces) and they help fund shia lebanaon group Hez'bollah.

Going after Iran(a shia state) of all places makes zero sense.
ISIS has been rounding up 100's shia men and executing them and putting them in mass graves.

I don't know how to communicate to you how off you: are they are complete Rivals
just a few days ago isis bombed Beirut to I quote "In a statement, Isis said the aim of the attack was to kill Shia Muslims"-43 dead-249 injured-

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/12/beirut-bombings-kill-at-least-20-lebanon

but ever since Isis has began they have been capturing shia's and executing them and murdering them http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-crisis-the-footage-that-shows-isis-militants-taunting-and-killing-shia-forces-9541929.html

When ISIS TOOK Mosul for the first time Iran immediately called for the interenational community to take action against them.http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/06/iran-officials-call-action-isis-mosul.html#


Do you know who else is against the nuclear deal with Iran...Saudi and the gulf states.


your geoplilics is way off ,shocking because this stuff is important to trading too,like understanding why Saudi is happy to let the price of oil drop to squeeze Iranian trade balance


@ignacio you are so right about the turks,they purport to be doing something about the ISIS then ,they just bomb the secular PKK who are actually fighting ISIS.Plus they allow jihadi fighters to cross and gett healed and facilitate isis oil smuggling.

Jake C said...

@Matt Franko


eVIDENCE OF SAUDI+Gulf suport for ISIS

if you insist on going to war ( because iraq and afganistan were such a sucess,go to war against the right people,like the russians are doing)
Evidence of gulf ISIS funding-

"Arab Gulf donors as a whole -- of which Saudis are believed to be the most charitable -- have funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to Syria in recent years, including to ISIS and other groups. There is support for ISIS in Saudi Arabia, and the group directly targets Saudis with fundraising campaigns, so Riyadh could do much more to limit private funding."
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https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/saudi-funding-of-isis




http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/whos-funding-isis-wealthy-gulf-angel-investors-officials-say-n208006

"A small but steady flow of money to ISIS from rich individuals in the Gulf continues, say current and former U.S. officials",---read that article ..it's the iranians who are calling out the sunni gulf arabs for financing them.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html

-"The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror."-read this great article it spells it out brilliantly .



http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/iraq-crisis-how-saudi-arabia-helped-isis-take-over-the-north-of-the-country-9602312.html

Another great article ,"Iraq crisis: How Saudi Arabia helped Isis take over the north of the country
A speech by an ex-MI6 boss hints at a plan going back over a decade. In some areas, being Shia is akin to being a Jew in Nazi Germany

You talk tough but are going after the complete wrong people,and ignorant of the huge geopolitcal rivalries and dynamic in the region

Matt Franko said...

Ben appreciate your concern for our warrior class (I'll assume that's legit...) but fyi the FIRST thing that suffers under these "we're out of money!" morons we have is Force Protection and thus your observation and concern about all the casualties...

See this rudimentary article (written out of paradigm):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_protection

If we had competent leadership we'd be spending at least twice as much USD balances on Force Protection as weapon systems themselves.... today it not even the reciprocal...

As long as that belligerent regime in Tehran is allowed to exist then expect periodic terror attacks like this last one in Paris... I'd advise no one to go to big cities in EZ for now if you want to remain physically safe from these kinds of attacks... if you are here in the US and have to domicile in the big cities consider applying for concealed carry and get maximum firearms training in support of it while morons continue to rule...

Matt Franko said...

inta you're blaming the payer not the extortionist...

It is in no way the official govt policy of SA or other gulf states to support intl terror sober up...

"the huge geopolitcal rivalries and dynamic in the region" : you are over thinking it... focus on the policy of the actual seated govts...

Matt Franko said...

I dont look at it via a religious paradigm that imo has been the big on-going mistake...

Who cares about whatever religion these people are?

Matt Franko said...

Tom dont accuse me of promoting fantasy "false flag" crack pot theories...

We've got two targets right now (Iran and ISIS) and maybe a 3rd in Syria if they dont get with it maybe Russia can help them and Assad can survive it...

Trump would back off on Syria and see what Putin can come up with at least for now...

Ignacio said...

Let's just ignore the fact that most ISIS leadership comes from ex-Ba'ath military leaders (from the "destroyed" nation of Iraq), and most militants come from Iraq itself, Syria and the gulf states themselves (Saudi Arabia amongst others), when not from the West recruits (France, UK, Belgium etc.). I have no sympathy for current Iran regime but I have yet to come to some explanation how attacking Iran is going to fix the problem of current failed states in MENA area and the continued support the different organization receive from western "allies" as the highest funding movements, also providing organization and connections (amongst leadership and government officers too).


Iran is the enemy, a few million USA citizens have made their mind up about it, and Donald Trump says he is going to fix it all. It doesn't matter if that's impossible, because they are at odds with each other and killing each other by the thousands yearly (in a real global war). If we make an effort and think it's going to happen it will happen, that's the magic of imagination. Time to march to war with no plan at all, "destroy" some more nation and not finish the job, that's the way forward as proved by the last decades. Those European commies and other Muslim nations will have to deal with it after all being flooded by refugees (9 million Syrians have fled this 'destroyed' nation, because that's not enough, what can go wrong, we just need 20 million more displaced in the region).


Managed chaos at play and the useful idiots doing their job as always. Well hope you are well stocked on military contractor stocks at least, do not let it go to waste.

Tom Hickey said...



Then what are you saying when you write this:

As long as that belligerent regime in Tehran is allowed to exist then expect periodic terror attacks like this last one in Paris

Iran had zero to do with the Paris attack, just as Saddam had zero to do with 9/11.

Who cares about whatever religion these people are?

It's been explained clearly here what the religious dynamic is in the area. But it doesn't involve just Shia and different sects of Sunnis, but also Jews and Christians.

For example, I consider Bernie an incipient thug if elected owing to his unquestioning support for Israel. He would be putty in the hands of neocons and the deep state.

The religious factor is a key subtext to what's happening underneath the fight for resources and pipelines and the long-standing and on-going kerfuffle between Russia and the West.

Geopolitics is somewhat complicated, since history matters as well as geography. There are many factors involved, some more important than others, but they are all in play and being used by the various players.

Failure to understand this leads to simplistic views and knee jerk reactions based on them. In fact, this is used as a tool by the various powers to manipulate their publics, as well as through fifth columns to manipulate public opinion in enemy countries.

The challenge is to simplify without loosing the plot.

Matt Franko said...

I, all we have to do (short term) is stop letting these people in and send some packing... let's not over-complicate it...

Jake C said...

Why is Iran even a target?

"Who cares about whatever religion these people have"

Iran hasn'tattacked us....Saudi +gulf financed(Turkish accommodated) Sunni groups have.

So who are "these people anyway",one group of people with an extreme fundamentalist religion who spread violent wahabbism and attack us,and a completely different group who haven't attacked us but happen to be somewhat religous(of a different religion)

Honestly the whole world is getting sick of Arabs and their terrorists and the Americans want to fight Iran?

Peter Pan said...

If all goes to plan, Iran will be 'dealt with' later. But the justification won't be based on "death to America" slogans. They'll come up with something slightly more sophisticated.

dilbertgeg said...

Reagan gave Pakistan nuclear bomb so he could fight Soviets. Iran not really attacking anyone. Helping Hezb'Allah (army of God) attack Daesh, and defend Syria. Israel just now bombing Syrian army over incident, which means helping Daesh. Iran is a player but not insane.

Zbig Brzezinski actually advocated FOR Iran having nukes, as good for US strategic int'l goals.

Jake C said...

Blood is on the streets of MY Europe....this could get worse .you people Want to go after Iran,the only power doing anything about them (alongside Russia)

You can take your pro-arab plans...

If you destroy Iran Isis would expand enormously,without any regional major power containing them.

Don't talk loosely and inaccurately about these security issues which you seem to only want to make worse.

@Matt there is no over complication here,this is simple.you sound like a crazy person who wants to go after China or India because of Pearl Habour.

Look at the sources I provided showing Arabs complicity in ISIS funding.you seem to be very pro Arab,they come here too and Buy up Real estate and Buy up military weaponary,we don't love them like you do,they look down on us, bid up Real estate prices with their oil rents,and they whore it up.And abuse their domestic servants;one of the most repressive countries in the world.

Please wake up.you are being wilfully ignorant.

The enemies of our security has always been Saudi+Gulf states.